I know about the deleted emails. My husband and I actually bought our last car from our court and we had a great experience. Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Jill and Stuart came to the States from England. And Willow lost the battle of PR on social media. When you say the IT department, its my understanding you came into some information about emails getting destroyed. Guest Bios Show Transcript Spiritual abuse has become an increasingly hot topic, as more and more stories of bully pastors and hyper-controlling, Guest Bios Show Transcript After years spent in an abusive church, how do you heal? Its good to be visiting with you again. I was just following following lawyers advice. So its okay. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. Explain that. I hope you have a great day and God bless. Stuart Briscoe died on August 3 "of natural causes unexpectedly" according to a tweet from his son, Pete Briscoe. So I want you to think about this while you know Bill Hybels is being accused of doing awful things by a dozen women. That has been documented and proven through therapy notes. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. And I do think theres a spiritual stronghold, I hope and pray that it will be broken in our area. Im doing well but probably not as well as you because youre on vacation in Florida. And if you think its not, you know, go and look in your church building right now, if youre quarantined under COVID, or youre not gathering. Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. It is simply to feed ourselves. But now my faith in the whole institution is shattered. Its scripturally rooted. They didnt have the ability to respond to new issues as they arose. Inside their system, they need to be guarded, governed, guided. Pete has offered to And which really makes me sad because theyve had a change in leadership. Thank God I have Jesus. Briscoe Well, early on in the process after the Tribune article, we had to make a decision, How are we going to fight a machine of this size that is basically promulgating lies about these women and their families and their supporters? And I reached out to people that I already knew within, you know, the watch blogging community. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. People can do the job of preaching and leading a church for, you know, 40 plus weeks in the pulpit at a church of this size. Heres to better days and better church health. You know, people like Dee Parsons, Julie Anne Smith, Julia Dahl, and people who I knew would not stop talking about it and would not stop talking about it for months. I cant do this authentically anymore. And as hard as the last year and a half has been, I applaud him for that. Jill It was stunning to me. And to do that, we must avoid falling into the trap of our Christian beliefs being pitted against culture in the public sphere of debate. Thats a bad default state. I I am thrilled to be here. You can read about them at their website Teaching the Truth. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both Absolutely. That nonprofit corporation and its bank accounts, thats not what the biblical church is. And theres a lot of people asking, Is that just too great a burden to ever put on one person? How do you respond to that? This is simply a place where I share the message of Gods unadulterated grace through my preaching sermons and bible teaching. I was a member of WCCC for many years. They didnt have the ability to move quickly. Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? The fact that, I dont know. Really what it is, Julie, if we want to get down to it and go to spiritual or biblical terms, these are these are works of the flesh when were not led by the Spirit. Many more than even Vonda Dyer knew. Its all a Business and Power tool and stage for Virtue Signaling. Thank you so much. And a lot of us who sat in the congregation and received from them were, you know, duped and we bought it. It is also the church in which Pete Briscoe, my former wonderful pastor, grew up in. Because we represent their interests. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. I mean, that is just huge. So disappointed in ECFA. It grows over time. Hes a complex character. You have your identity rooted in something other than Christ, the centrality of Christ. And today Im excited to be speaking with Mitch Little. Pete reminds us that our goal is not to win arguments, but to win people. By the way, the best thing that was said in the recording is that if character isnt there, none of the regulations will matter, and if character is there, one doesnt need the regulations. WebHi friend, I'm Pete Briscoe. So there were more than 10 women that came forward and said that there was sexual misconduct by Bill Hybels. He was like one of these, I think until Scot decided to speak up, it was, Willow had credulity to say, These are people outside our tribe who are criticizing us. Churches sometimes need advocates outside their system. James MacDonald was friends with Ed Stetzer. And so when you see behaviors that look like grooming, you know, John Calvin, Im not a Calvinist. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? I know that the original elders of Harvest thought they could keep James accountable despite the knowledge that he had glaring character flaws from the beginning. What makes you stick with that model and believe it can still be used despite how badly that model has been abused? So Im very much looking forward to our time together today. So thanks again. Pete Briscoe @petebriscoe 12 Dec 2021. Yeah, my understanding of that of the history has come from interviewing witnesses, talking to people who have served in those roles and hearing their stories at Willow. I will let you know as soon as I figure it all out. Pete has offered to Pete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrysteaching team from 2003 to 2021. I dont agree with a lot of his views, but he said something and it is true, we need to have, you know, church leader needs to have two voices, one for gathering the sheep and one for scaring away wolves. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. I wonder, I wonder what effect that might have had on them. But you had said you had gotten this manual and it was about, you know, basically how to be an elder and how to lead. Is that right? And I thought, I think I knew what he was doing when he named it that, but heres why I think its so ironic. And so I hope your listeners understand what I mean, when I say this, thats how good God is that he can use people who are even morally bankrupt, to bring people to himself. And the thing that is astonishing to me, you used the issue of emotional vulnerability is that, you know, a lot of times our strengths are our weaknesses. Would you consider making a tax-deductible donation to help our journalists continue to report the truth and restore the church? And wasnt there something with Bill Clinton coming to the church and speaking? I think there was a culture of pride at Willow that basically said, We are the elite of the Christian world. Well, since you brought it up, youre gonna youre gonna have to address the Vanilla Bean. Today, Telling the Truthis heard anytime and anywhere, thanks to international radio programming, the internet, and our mobile app. I followed the Harvest situation, which I think is its own it, you know, separate facts. And heres what we have to do as people leading churches, okay, you have to understand what the signs of grooming are so one of the things that I did that really helps me, my good friend, Boz Tchividjian, put out a book through his organization G.R.A.C.E. Im Julie Roys. I do. I was just trying to build a relationship, or whatever you just go, But I see you for what you are and youre gonna have to go.. So Mitch, thank you so much for taking the time to join me today. I came out of Wheaton College, as I know a lot of kids do when youre in a Christian environment and maybe see some disillusioning things and I just, it was really a hard spiritual time for me. And something else that you mentioned about the board, which I found fascinating was that the Willow Creek board had an awful lot of lawyers on it. And another womans situation, theyre in an elder board meeting, and Bill Hybels, you know, has his hand on a womans leg, and no one else can see. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Yeah, totally agree. Theyre not holding anybody accountable then. Very few. He currently leads a multi-faceted media ministry called Telling the Truth which he shares with his parents Stuart and Jill Briscoe. Pete Briscoe was Senior Pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship in Carrollton, TX for nearly 30 years. Volunteers monitored the process in real time, turning over cassettes at the appropriate time to record on the second side. Was there any evidence found that he actually had an affair? Literally thousands of people have come to know Jesus under Bill Hybels teaching and yet, he was morally bankrupt at the same time. Think about the psychology of someone who could be doing what was alleged by Pat Baranowski to have been done to her. Do we have a theology of goodness at our church? How do you recommend searching worth while places to donate too? And really, I came back to the Lord at Willow and He used that church to help me reestablish my relationship with Him and with His church. Thats a bad default state. I would probably have been among those who defended Bill saying, He couldnt have done these things; Hes too strong of a Christian leader. I see this culture as similar to the Corinthian church with the man who was involved with his fathers wife. So, Mitch, how is it that a lawyer from Texas ended up representing victims of sexual harassment at a mega church in Chicago? These are people that may be in the cubicle next to you at work, who have an acuity for blending in to normal life. With distinctly different teaching styles, you'll be moved by the emotional appeal of Jill and the compelling logic of Stuart, as they boldly proclaim God's sovereignty, grace, and love. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. For the next 90 minutes, Pete Briscoe enraptured us with his presentation of The Bema.. Many organizations that have a board of directors consisting of yes men or yes women who are inclined to go along with the board chairman and/or are friends with them. The cover up of his behavior manifested at the elder board level. That night we had a guest speaker come in for a special presentation. I had no idea what to expect as this lone man stood on the stage. The news of Petes resignation landed heavy on my heart. He, Becky and their kids have been part of the fabric of BT for so long, it is I think, as believers, we should be standing for truth, we should not look the other way. I thought that emails could always be recovered, even after being erased, by a good IT person. I was kind of thrust into the middle of it out of love for wanting to help my friends and man, that thing escalated pretty quickly. Well, again, Joining me today is Mitch Little a partner with Scheef & Stone in Frisco, Texas. Pete is the son of Jill and Stuart Briscoe. They were almost sacred and benevolent and unable to do wrong. Julie, you may want to review this pointwasnt a problem? Hes also the chairman of the elder board and his own church, Bent Tree Fellowship. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. What eventually broke the culture of secrecy and protection? and so I almost feel like the elder boards are there to keep the honest person honest. I dont think I could survive the corruption I see today had I not seen so much thats good and beautiful in the church growing up. And the Nancy Ortberg situation, a hug that lasted too long. Bent Tree family and friends of Bent Tree, we invite you to post here (or on social media) your comments of encouragement, gratitude, blessing, remembrance, and tribute to the many long years our brother Pete and sister Libby have poured out their lives for the building up of Christs church. And I remember you saying once that you had gotten a manual, I think it was from the ECFA, and boy, we could talk about them. And so when these things happen, they cant just stay silent. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Well, lets talk a little bit about the leadership that protected him because I think that is the question that I keep hearing over and over from folks is, How do we prevent this from happening? When the when the mans lying on the side of the road, naked and bleeding, theyre the priests who cross the street. So, while I have strong feelings about this, as you can imagine being a lawyer, but at all points, legal advice has to be subservient to Scripture. So your pastor, he chose himself to step down, correct? I appreciate you so much and look forward to visiting with you again soon. Its one of the beauties and the deformities of social media is social media is agile. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Jill Continue Reading The Upper Room: John 15 Posted by Nate Murray Jesus said, I call you My friend. WebBriscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. Thats one of the things that attracted me to it is that he would admit something that he had failed, like, I remember one Wednesday night at a midweek service, and he got up and he said how that day he had seen somebody who was, you know, he could tell that they were upset and in need, and he just walked right by the person and totally blew them off. But before we begin, I just want to take a minute to thank the sponsors of this podcast, Judson University, and Marquardt of Barrington. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. Can you imagine what that does for book sales to be on stage at the Global Leadership Summit among people all over the world and touted as an expert in something? And it had all of these allies not just in the media, but among the angelical industrial complex, other megachurch pastors, everything. And I had a wonderful experience. So many people are looking the other way. I attended Willow for seven years. Now, I coach pastors and business leaders in communications and self-care. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Everything started to make sense. Its a calling of God. How does our elder board navigate things differently with that Pastor? And you mentioned to me that there were some stop signs along the way. Well, and I hope there are Christian leaders listening to this who take note because is the time of just being silent and thinking that because youre silent, nothing will come back on you, thats past. The thing that is so terrifying is that someone who has been a senior pastor in an organization like that is not beyond it. And I can only imagine what the economic forces are behind the scenes for that, but it really disappoints me, that that hasnt happened. I just, Im amazed that they were in such geographic proximity to one another dealing with almost the exact same problem. Briscoe One of those women is Vonda Dyer. Jill That to me, is a corruption of the role. It manifested at the Human Resources level. There were some areas or some some critical times when things could have gone differently, but the elders caved in essence to Bill Hybels. Hes one of the good guys. They made a lot of friends a lot of money over the years selling books, promoting programs, platforming them at conferences, platforming them at the Global Leadership Summit. Subscribe Sign up for my daily email devotionals and to stay in touch! So Scot, its like the scene in The Avengers when Iron Man just kind of drops out of the sky. Its a serious analog for what happened at Willow. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. The Elder Board has accepted Petes decision, and his resignation is effective March 31, 2019. Briscoe Mitch is an attorney, a church elder and an advocate for abuse victims. Briscoe says that he wants Bent Tree to be a place where people can agree to disagree over this issue. I think these women would still like to know the answer to that. For that we are forever grateful. My personal belief, not speaking on behalf of anyone else, my personal belief is that that structure is designed to fail, because elders cant elder in that structure. Growing up in a ministry family, Pete watched and learned from his parents and witnessed the reach and power of Telling the Truth 's media outreach. Can you imagine how many books that sold her? Yeah, thats right. Put a skin tag on it or a flesh tag. But youre right. Amen. Whats our theology? Gifted with wisdom, discernment, and a bit of English humor, the Briscoe's bring God's Word to life. Also, make sure you subscribe to The Roys Report on Apple podcasts or Google podcasts. And we need to apologize. Im still waiting for the apology for the public apology for giving. Later Telling the Truth began airing in several countries in southeast Asia and across 10 countries in southern Africa. WebIt is with heavy hearts that the Elders of Bent Tree announce that Pete Briscoe has submitted his resignation as Senior Pastor. Although theres been some. And you you actually refer to it as multi-level marketing. Because they, I mean, they had a massive PR machine they had, they hired Mark DeMoss, his firm to come in and try to resolve things from a PR standpoint. But it was after a period of I dont know the details, and I dont know how much youre at liberty to say them, but its my understanding he went away for a period of time to kind of reflect and assess how he was doing and how he was handling things. Let the Briscoes help you experience Life in all its fullness! But I guess this is the question so many are asking is, Can anybody be in those kind of jobs with the kind of responsibility that is put on one human, one person to lead thousands of people? And so many looking to him for vision for leadership for everything. Its my understanding that was a watershed moment. And thats not what this is about. I dont think that theres anything at a mega church that innoculates it from being good. Vanilla orchids are actually pollinated by hand in most places. Dear anonymous. But theres a sense that the Church of Jesus Christ Universal is represented all throughout not just the United States but the world. And the thing about predators, Bill Hybels included, okay, is they start to do more things in public to condition you to behavior that is inappropriate, and they test their boundaries, to see what they can get away with. But lets talk about since were talking about the media, Willow Creek had unbelievable resources at its disposal, right. John and Nancy Ortberg had been at Willow Creek as pastors. Its not okay. They show up, they sell books. How do you get people to come to church when there are more authentic people in the bars? And there was also a service at WC where the board interviewed him and was he was questioned about an affair. Its so HARD today to know who to donate to. WebLearn More About Pete Today - Pete Briscoe God loves you to distraction, There is nothing you can do to make Him love them more or less, And, that Life with this Lover God is rich beyond description, regardless of your performance. I think the load needs to be shared. I Like if you go back and you actually read his books line-on-line, there are some things in there in those books where you go, For a pastor, that should be unacceptable. But he was attenuating his church culture and culture at large to him in his behavior. He has been married to Jill for more than 59 years and has three children and 13 grandchildren. To us, he was Stu, Dad and Poppa and we already miss him achingly." Pete Briscoe, our pastor at our church came out in support of the Dyers, which was bold, and it was brave. What is it was Chicago? Yeah, I just saw you ran a story on MacDonalds massive mansion in Illinois being held in the name of Vanilla Bean LLC. So when you have a culture thats willing to, you know, exfoliate spoiliate, destroy documents in order to preserve a narrative, theres really very little that the culture will not accomplish at the cost of innocent people. But this certainly raises red flags. Well, and that is one aspect of the story that I wanted to explore together because I know that what happened at Willow from my understanding of speaking with Vonda and several victims is that it was far worse, the abuse there and far more pervasive than most people know, and thats one of the frustrations I know of a lot of the victims is that Willow hasnt publicly acknowledged that or publicly said how bad it was. They know there would be swift and sure discipline, if not firing, even with one mistakedepending on the severity of the misbehavior. And where does whats legally expedient for our organization? This is just the way things are in Corinth. Im wary of the theatrical, evangelical stars that are so prevalent now. Scott Dyer was the worship pastor at Bent Tree Bible fellowship. I dont know. Telling another woman, how she looks in a dress and how it accentuates her body, everything up to an alleged affair, to Pat Baronowski, Bill Hybels longtime assistant, stating in the New York Times said Bill Hybels made her obtain pornography and they watched it together. 1 talking about this. Mitch has seen church governance from both the inside and the outside. You feel that they have to have more of a governance more of a hands on role than a lot of them do. A man who "dedicated his life to sharing Gods Word with the world" has died at the age of 91. So you caught them before that anything actually happened? 1 talking about this. We needed to go to the hills and fight as guerillas, you know, what is guerrilla warfare? And Harvest was the same thing. One of those is that you had your senior pastor resign kind of suddenly. To view their entire showroom online. And I could explain why I think thats funny, but you have to have extreme accountability, the larger your platform gets. He even cites a conversation with Darrell Bock, a member who disagrees with the elders but who also says it is not an issue worth dividing over. I mean, I Timothy 5:20 says that we should publicly expose elders who are sinning so that others may take warning. What I do, you know, and what Ministry Watch is doing and what all these independent bloggers are doing, that its bringing accountability. Do you understand what Im saying? Pete has offered to He now coaches Pete Briscoe | Brookfield WI. Thank you so much. And I remember you saying. To me, this was one of the beautiful God moves about the entire situation. Ive asked that question many times. This is a calling. You formed a nonprofit corporation. What Ive told people is, If you are not ready to blow yourself or the organization up in five seconds flat, you need to find a different hobby.. WebPete Briscoe answers that question by pointing us to Paul as the perfect example of one who speaks with tender boldness. Funny, whenever I would watch Bill Hybels preach online or speak at the GLS, and he would go into that quavering voice, tears-in-his-eyes, emotional mode, Id stop listening. I think its incredibly dangerous. The radio program began to attract listeners and supporters, enabling the ministry to expand its broadcasting to a growing number of stations throughout the United States and abroad. And someone Im extremely glad is serving in church leadership. So as we part ways, let us make the departure sweet. Thats not to say there arent authentic people there. Well, I tried other churches and its more of the same. Board members selected in such a way are unlikely to honor their fiduciary duty ahead of their desire to please the board chairman or senior pastor. Okay. I think ultimately, we are still kind of under the inertia of a culture that was fomented by Pete Briscoe, which was a culture of goodness, a culture of grace and its still carrying forward under that momentum. Just what I call a deformed leadership culture at the church where certain things became acceptable that shouldnt. But at 22, I completely bought it. I hear you say that and I believe in accountability really strongly. Julie, thats whats so interesting about this story to me as I got deeper into it, I started to understand That, you know, when you go to the movies, and you see a story, you expect, okay, that guys the villain. Character always has to come first in hiring, then competence, and then chemistry. Its really pride. The other woman that Mitch represented will remain confidential but both these cases enabled Mitch to peek behind the curtain at Willow Creek and view upclose some of the dysfunctions that led to that scandal. And so when I looked at that in the context of James MacDonald going, you know what, thats the type of accountability that man needed and was denied. WebPete Briscoe, Stuart and Jills youngest son, was a key contributor to the ministrys teaching team from 2003 to 2021. "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. And I think you hit the nail on the head. So since youve seen a lot of this kind of up close and personal through talking to witnesses and elders and staff people, how bad was the abuse at Willow Creek? Petes teaching and emphasis on the sufficiency of Christ leaves an indelible mark on so many of our souls. Heres my belief, Julie, I think the church at large, the big leaders in evangelicalism, we can name names if we want to, and Im sure that people have names on their mind when theyre hearing this, Why were they silent? "For many of you, he was preacher, pastor, mentor or friend. The thief knows how to how to get through that lock, right? And theyre born knowing how to do that. But if you have a pastor with a glaring character flaw youre fooling yourself if you think youre gonna keep that character flaw in line with a pastor who doesnt put Jesus Christ first in his life, am I right? Below is a link to a PDF of the article World Magazine did on a sex abuse scandal involving VOM. You know, I think, Julie, the other thing that was really whacked out about Willows elder board, and I didnt find this out until very late in the representation was they operated by design out of unanimity. For more information just go to JudsonU.edu. How do spot a safe pastorand can. Thankyou in advance. 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