And then it was turned off. I love the way people just make things up and state it as fact, even when it completely opposes evidence in the case. No screams were heard in the middle of the night. He was all over the house. The detective said not really. I know it is morbid but I do hope that CW gets his just desserts in jail and those other inmates show him some of the terror that his beautiful girls would have experienced in the last moments of their life. How do THESE people know? He resented how close they all were and was sadistic enough to hurt her. The one person who took a few breaths almost immediately fainted. what was the deal with the blue gloves next to the bed??? Not everyone poops when they die, in fact most do not. He just didnt want another baby. That goes against every human primal instinct we have, it just wouldnt happen. He couldnt get into anyways so I dont know what the plan was gonna be after. Chris Watts. Said it was part of the decomposition process. How was she with her phone? Then I think he panicked and was scared and didnt know what to do. CeCe did not have any marks & I attribute that to her age, not understanding what was happening & Im sure she lost consciousness quickly as she had breathing problems. Thats why the strangulation was gentle, not violent, as the hyoid was not broke, and there were no defensive wounds to her or him. Why else would he go there with 3 bodies? What are the odds???? But I am of course hoping that she was totally unaware in her unconsciousness. Amy thoughts on her? Ive been reading this whole thread and as I always respect other ppls views and opinions as much as I can, there is one contributor to this conversation that thinks they know everything sigh. 53 102 comments sorted by New Add a Comment He did something to immobilize or pin down her arms. It drives me batty to see little Cece kick her legs in joy in the videos and to know they were stopped forever. It takes 4 5 hours for a stomach to empty after eating. Donald, the house has bedrooms upstairs and a central family room with a couch and TV in between the master and the girls bedrooms. The girls were wearing nightgowns, Cece a pink nightgown with birds on it, and Bellas nightgown had a unicorn or believe on it. Unless you count her phone. Like a scene from Friday the 13th. I believe it was to make her feel more at ease, able to sleep instead of up all night crying. And dropped her in alive? Also this is awful but he said he had to raise the girls arms up to get them into the hatches of the oil tank. This is an excellent theory and makes a TON of sense!!! I cannot get over what he did. Also in his re-enactment they also didnt add up. If she was murdered in bed, why isnt there any evidence of that? Anyway, either you get it, or you dont. The entire thing is horrific, but theres a lot of misinformation and misunderstanding going on several people mentioning the hyoid bone being in tact or the lack of patechia but I can tell you from experience- Ive seen severe patechia in a sick womans eyes and also in a drowning victim (age 2)- but in all 3 bodies Ive observed during transport or autopsy- none had patechia and none had thier hyoid disturbed- Ive only ever seen it broken in hanging/suicide cases or once in an auto accident that involved crushing injuries to the head and neck. Cyril Wect is an expert who always talks about how drowning victims have water in their lungs ONLY if they are alive during drowning and not completely dead !!!!!! COFFIN BIRTH OF BABY NICO!-Please read description TY Scrub The Surface 8.27K subscribers Subscribe 13K Share 1.5M views 4 years ago THIS VIDEO IS. I was 59 weighed 120 lbs, so was skinny. Its what seems to make sense, based on the info we recently learned. http://www.timescall.com/ci_32281483/autopsy-reports-show-shanann-watts-daughters-were-asphyxiated, But Celeste didnt have oil her stomach. I have a question. What was the motive? Police photos If anything, I would say its more like few / some. Saying she will be there with lollipops and other things. Chris was photographed head to toe & didnt have one mark on his body consistent with somebody fighting for their life from being strangled. B . dirty murderer! Dont jump on me buthear me bnb ot, I believe Chris. His mom I think knew about it prior. Exiting rooms. There are no words . Once youre already unconscious from sleep & then start losing air from throttling it would make you very disoriented & hard to come to fully conscious state & fight back before losing total consciousness again. Hello everyone, Or carbon monoxide poisoning [something a former mechanic and oil worker would know about]. I always slept in a bra when I was in my 20s and 30s. Typo. Or look up the video of the DA talking about the autopsies. Considering the size of shananns house before they moved there. Every detail was wrong for them as a couple and as a family. Simply stated, you are an ignorant human being, Badmouthing the vicitm like that when she can not defend herself. Unless he threw it there and forgot to take it and planned on ridding of it. Maybe he lost patience with her. He was a mechanic. This would also suggest that the Stranglehold was done with a right arm, as this would correlate to the right-sided internal bruising, and the left-sided external bruising. Heres what the autopsy says about Shananns cause of death: The autopsy report said that Shanann had a history of being reported missing and subsequently found unresponsive in obvious state of death in a shallow grave. The cause of death was Asphyxiation due to manual strangulation with Bruising of the Anterior strap muscles of the neck.. He said those were consistent with trying to flee while being smothered. Have you interviewed anyone for your books? Here is what the International OCD Foundation says. Like you, I believe the children were sedated, and possibly Shanann as well. Chris only had one small scar on his body, consistent with this theory. So its OCD when it comes to what people see, both house and life if you will..but a suitcase at 2 am, 4 months pregnant, I could easily see her saying nope to carrying that suitcase upstairs. For example, someone with OCD could have the thought that if they dont touch a doorknob a certain number of times an exact way, they will get a disease. But I want to know so badly the time of death. As someone who has OCD I would appreciate if everyone commenting here would look up the mental condition. On page six of the report in the General Internal Examination findings, it states:- Rigor mortis lasts 8-12 hours. I dont think she ever went into the master bedroom that night. And to think CW called a co-worker @ 5pm to tell him that he would be going directly to the oil battery site and told the co-worker he didnt need to. I once witnessed where someone used Tequila in a hookah instead of water. They were smothered. He said Shanann said she was going to a friends house with their two kids. Do you think that maybe she was actually just unconscious? Watts at first tried to claim that when he told Shanann he wanted a separation, she killed their daughters. Meredith Kercher is a famous example. Esophageal strictures are typically treated with a procedure called esophageal dilation, during which a physician uses a small balloon to stretch open the scar tissue causing the narrowing in the esophagus. Chris probably told shannan that shed never see the kids again.. The Weld County Coroner released the complete autopsy reports of Bella, Celeste, and Shanann Watts, who were murdered by Chris Watts on August 13. Shananns Blood Alcoholic Content was 0.128. Thats a power-nap another thing MLM folk are good at. Its definately not most. In the first half of this demo, you have them face to face when the attack occurs. I have no insight? I worry he may have had the girls dead and sprawled out waiting for her to come home and watched her reaction from the baby monitor. @Kaye Im thinking the girls were killed after Shanann because he knew she would look in on them, perhaps kiss them, before turning to bed herself.>>>When he murdered Shanann, how do you think he did it? The autopsy results aren't available, but the funeral and grave site suggest that Niko's remains were either removed, destroyed or buried with his mother. This behavior is opposed to the dignity and respect of another person. @Karen did she get dressed for bed, or did she simply take of her jeans, throw off her flip-flops and decide to settle down for a couple of hours sleep wearing the bra, panties and t-shirt that she arrived home in? Cassie Rosenberg Page 626 A person with OCD also wouldnt have that much stuff on the bathroom vanity. Also, the fact that he did not want her to come to Colorado with his dad so that maybe she would not be questioned? Her fully formed gallstone may have contributed to her not feeling well during her last MLM trip. THE GIRLS WERE NOT COMPLETELY DEAD when put into the oil tanks. Want to keep up with the latest. D Oil, water and sludge debris in the stomach Police reportsThe oil drums where the bodies were found. No one deserves what happened to those kids and their mother-you have issues. Shan'ann Watts -Autopsy,grave details.Graphic! 2 hours isnt going to bed or going to sleep. ShanAnn had been in a total of 6 MLMs that I could identify (Amway, Origami Owl, LulaRoe, Younique, ItWorks!, Thirty One, and Thrive oops, thats SEVEN); theyd already had to file bankruptcy in 2015; and now they were about to lose their house due to not being able to pay their bills. Thats why no defense wounds. He really thought he could get away with this? Chris and or others..I tend to agreeShan ann was imodefinitely disabled at some pointBella maybe not..she fought hard. Possible if the hips were gyrated slightly, titled vertically, the horizontal width could be reduced by an inch. She even labelled food in her kitchen. I have a theory which could explain Shananns ethanol and alcohol levels. The Watts murders got to me also. Good work. For more information on having conversations at this site: https://crimerocket.com/2018/12/21/true-crime-rocket-science-how-to-have-conversations-on-this-site-and-how-not-to/. And then I freaked out and hurt her., He whispered, Sheshe smothered them. Watts previously told investigators that Shannan's killing. https://youtu.be/U8fe6Ckeh5A?t=210. Then again she was dressed for bed. Mechanical compression with blood vessels in the neck (as in a Stranglehold) causes a reduction in oxygenation of the brain, leading to cerebral hypoxia/ischaemia, anaerobic metabolism, and acidaemia/acidosis (similar to the effects of cardiac arrest on the brain (Longstreth 2001). You know what they say, Sara.once you let your attacker get paper bags on your hands, theres no defending yourself. In the case of Lacey Peterson, fecal matter *was* found in the house. I was near death before my ex took his hands off my neck. I find it odd that Shanann was wearing a bra when found. I was in Colorado in the area on vacation the week this happened last August and the whole thing is sickening and deeply troubling to me. Rude person. I was in one temporarily an Acai drink, it really tried to make you ocd about $ and prestige attaining the unattainable honestly. It makes the crime even more heinous in my mind because it would have required a lot of thought concerning the logistics. He says with a halphazard yeah she was like for sure gone, she was blue, and no beats, no breaths, nothing. Even with Bella, no screaming brain said , this is your Bella!! Police came but found no sign of Celeste Watts or Bella Marie Watts. Now thats one of the main ways that most lay people think of first but he was coming up with these weird ways but distancing himself from strangling. And anyone on this thread acting as if the mother plays any part(or the mistress) for that matter..well you are just as psychotic. It wouldnt have mattered about sleeping in the same bra and panties as shed travelled in she was going to be waking up at 4am when Chris woke as shed asked him to wake her and the hair care product purchase attempt was around 2am, so what would 2 more hours mean? Back? She said on one video her kitchen has to be very clean, I know people that have spotless kitchens but rest of house is a mess. The autopsy report details her cause of death and injuries. IF the girls were sedated (with ShanAnns leftover oxycodone) before suffocation, it would have been very easy to make sure they were both in diapers CeCe was still wearing nighttime diapers at least, and these would have served for an incapacitated Bella they didnt need to be the right size, since she wouldnt be moving around. Not Shanann! Her body had been out in the warm Spring sun for 3 days, leaving the blood and fluids to ferment, if you will, which could have resulted in a false positive post mortem BAC. I remember reading as part of the Scott Peterson murder investigation that they found traces of fecal matter in the carpet (which had been cleaned) in a downstairs hallway, I think, but I just looked around and couldnt find anything, so I must have mis-remembered. Part of the evidence that he put into the trash. Please explain. It appeared to be an addiction by this point it was all she wanted to do. I dont know why, but I have a deep need (would have never expected this) to discuss what happened, and I need to be honest with my observations. Even if they appear to be dead or as the agent in this case said decapitated you call & plead for someway to help fix them. How would you have reacted in her situation? Esophagus: .. Thankyou Nick for all your studies, research and insights. Her friend had to tiptoe around the place when she stayed over for fear of waking the kids up. So wheres the problem here? The girls were described as light sleepers, and I wonder if this was because in fact they were sleeping too much, because wow, that is a lot of sleep, even for their ages. I dont know her daily habits, but i use mine as an alarm. I know plenty of women who wear their bras to sleep, myself included. They should have been talked to later. Meaning there should be no oil in her stomach just like cece. Info released has stated she had some suitcases still packed, in her bedroom, from the SC trip, and there were other things (like her purses being messy) that just keeps chipping away at true, almost disabling sort of OCD tendencies. Ive been on those late flight arrivals often. Poor Bella was smothered with extreme force to her face that it left bruising. Mommys earned this. It seems likely she even planned to use her pregnancy and 3rd child in service to her MLM addiction see https://crimerocket.com/2018/11/02/shanann-watts-intended-to-brand-baby-niko-and-credit-thrive-for-her-perfect-pregnancy-but-her-plan-backfired/. I think he killed the girls at the worksite. Because you asked if I hurt her and I said no but I hurt her emotionally the agents said they already knew about Nikki which took Chris by surprise, he then realizes shes talked to the police. Not sure if it is true, but I heard that the GF (Nicole) and his parents are both doing book deals! No, so you have same information that anyone else has. Chris worked at a petroleum manufacturing company. If you look at the autopsy report she has purple round spots on 1 side of her face from the chin to the temple which could be his knuckles from a punch as well as a 1 handed strangulation. Chris came home and gave consent to search and said that he found Shananns wedding ring on the night stand. I guess we would never know and it wouldnt make any difference on his sentence. However, prosecutors maintained that Watts killed his pregnant wife and the two girls, and eventually he pleaded guilty to the crimes. Watts isnt a trained jujitsu. Police reportsA photo of one of the girls. They are good at lying and work very hard at appearing normal and very important to be liked. It was all a complete lie. No other way to put it. Defining post mortem bruising requires qualified scientific investigation. And that she looked at him as she died. It just seems to me that Bella would actually have had to swallow the oil to get it into her stomach. Thats the update; at the beginning of the article, theres a link to the first contact between her and the financial counselor. of OCD triggers and symptoms. FACT: In this day and age, OCD has become a replacement word for ritualistic behaviour and personal idiosyncrasies. its pretty clear they went to bed like normal >>>How is it pretty clear? Once the body dies the lower digestive tract opens up. -nickvdl. 4. Shannann even said that he was like another person. No. I tend to have the feeling ; with the way the justice system and penalties are enforced in the US .that he is probably in solitary confinement for his own protection!! When it was revealed yesterday that the children had been smothered, I assumed a pillow was used, especially since it would cover their faces and provide emotional distance for Chris while murdering his own children. Why was the oil/sludge found in Bellas stomach? That seems to have been nothing but getting manicures, shopping, and making videos. He kills both witnesses and the rest is history. She was not drinking while pregnant! ( oh & yes there were handprints in both sides of her neck according to autopsy ) on his arms? I think he was doing this so she would feel comfortable when she got home, and would be able to sleep. He kind of giggled & said like you mean like on TV like a magician. https://www.childrenshospital.org/conditions-and-treatments/conditions/e/esophageal-strictures, a medical history significant for peanut allergies. It's difficult to speculate what the norm would be in a criminal case, especially where an autopsy would need to be performed on both the mother . Or putting her down. So Chris Watts said she barely got into bed, and soshe barely got into bed? Makes sense since Shanann has zero marks indicating a struggle, I thought from the jump that she wasnt even awake when he killed her. Good point! If she was that tired, yes, Shannan could have left her suitcase and purse downstairs in her own home. 5. Please have respect for people who suffer with the condition, and research it before you comment about it. Police reportsPhotos of the Watts family in the police reports. Hence, no struggle, no stretches. Just a suggestion. Shanann is very OCD [McKenna Lindstrom, the babysitter]. Folks seem to think wanting to know why means supporting Watts or blaming his wife. Bella was face up, so oil had oozed into her stomach and lungs. I just dont understand this. So what are you saying? What was Shananns cause of death? Kinda odd. As a former forensic detective I dont completely agree with the DAs comment that it is normal. She felt that he is going out to pour oil on the bodies to dispose of them. Her husband spoke to Chris and he was not shedding a tear about his missing family.. It seems as if the account Chris gave once he was finally in jail and writing letters was the truth. Watts has since pleaded guilty to killing his wife and daughters, as well as a charge of unlawful termination of a pregnancy. In terms of your comments about respect, you clearly have no respect for my work. Chris Watts destroyed three fully formed, perfect adults. Ive linked an article below for everyone to read about how harmful perpetuating this lie is. They have no empathy, which enables them to be incrediably cruel, if it suits. I have to wonder if somehow she woke up and saw what happened to her Mommy. He has to be asked if he EVER went to look at Bella and see what condition she was in. Chris only saw things with one lense. Then probably went to bed & I guarantee he was in their bed not in the basement & this made her happy. @Eleni Let me put it this way there is zero evidence that Shanann was upstairs. Before I forget one glaring mistake in the Discovery by the CBI when they did the forensic search they said they checked for traces of blood where the cadaver dogs had indicated, including the top of the basement stairs near the mudroom. Lack of petechiae. Heartbreaking evidence photos and video of stained shirt, underwear and bra Shanann Watts was wearing when her husband murdered her, wrapped her in a sheet and put her in shallow grave The. He also said he didnt know where they were and he thought they were coming back. Do you have any family that said she had OCD? CW said he was not a monster because in his opinion he killed them humanely. I actually do not believe that there was any sedation to the girls or his wife. Sounds like a good theory except that Bella did fight for her life as the coroner explained by the hole in her frenulum, the biting of her tongue & insides of her cheeks. What about rigormortis?. I have read through this entire post and this is the one question that I dont think is getting enough attention. Kind of comforting too if they were unconscious when murdered they wouldnt have died in fear and terror. I am by no means defending him. Heres another: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/south-africa/2017-11-23-susan-rohde-sustained-too-many-injuries-to-hang-herself-pathologist/. & he says ah um like yeah theres that too & sort of skips right over it. He woke up at 5 a.m. to get ready for work, and they began talking about separating. (Oh and the bra with pregnant women 100% The T and underwear sleep outfit? She probably snuggled up next to him & was able to fall asleep. Ive not discussed it here though, its in the books. Because he said hed never hurt his girls? She didnt try to bite him? Bella was face up in the oil tank. It has NOTHING to do with being organized, clean, or a neat freak. No traces of fecal material found, but in the Rohde case there were fecal traces. Shanann was strangled and the children were smothered. I didnt know what else to do. He doesnt have a soul!!!!! ( when they were arguing she couldnt sleep & had been crying all night ) What happened when she got home nobody knows, but I do believe she felt comfortable enough to go online and shop. In the video of Chris Wattss confession, previously published on CrimeOnline, investigators appear incredulous that he was able to fit the bodies into the tanks, but Watts claimed he was able to do so without difficulty. 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