AN: Probably, I wouldnt dance, but Anne might. In the spring of 1976, Notley and her family returned to New York, and her husband Ted fell ill with hepatitis, a disease he suffered from until his death in 1983. In a lecture titled Thinking and Poetry, Notley underscores the deep difficulty of following ones own direction: I find being a poet something that must start again all the time; Im Alice Notley is a major American poet of our day, who has been living in Paris since the early 1990s, when she moved there with her second husband, the English poet, Doug Oliver (1937-2000), because Paris was where his professorial career was taking him. This guy is doing vinyl records of poets and hes done a series including one of me and one of Eileen [Myles]. Eileen was in it, as was Bob Holman. In that sad, beautiful book, theres so much irony, whereas some literary critics take everything at face value. But every time he quoted somebody he misquoted him or her without even knowing it, so he always made the texture his own. NOTLEY, Alice. Why hurry them along? Then he writes poetry in the variable foot which is a huge influence on my later work. At that point Alice Notley was finding New York less amenable and was keen to go somewhere else. Also, just before leaving New York, she realized the ambition of writing a feminist epic in a book-length poem, The Descent of Alette (1996). Ones not overshadowed like in forests elsewhere, but its particularly harsh, and hot: the Mojave goes up to 120-125 [Fahrenheit], sometimes. AN: I wouldnt be able to take the journey if I couldnt hear the poem thats all based on folk songs and not those lines, but I was writing In the Pines while I was doing the Hepatitis C treatment, where the drugs would depress you, but once a week you would have to take a shot which, they didnt tell you, would get you high for a half hour before you got sick. Nina Baym. About two-thirds of the way through the book theres a dream that has to do with a poet that has written a poem called disobedience: the poet was Kenneth in the dream, but, such is dream logic, it was really me. Ive never thought of her as a poet: sometimes I think she doesnt know anything about poetry at all. Notley's elegiac work during this era, including her poems "Beginning With a Stain" and "At Night the States," is some of her most widely celebrated. In the middle section, which is in prose, there are three people: me, Medea, and Dido, my gripe being that she founded a city, Carthage. Notleys writing at this time begins to shift away from singular poems and toward book-length projects with overarching styles and themes. How Spring Comes I just sat in here and wrote about Allen and the international aspect of his work. The incentives to engage in selfish, destructive action are as strong as they always have been. Over the course of Alice Notley's long and prolific career she's written more than 25 books since 1971 readers have assigned her any number of identities: native of the American West,. And Virgil: (2011): she is a female character who suffers a kind of erasure, despite being the great queen of Carthage. In an interview with the Kenyon Review, Notley noted: I think I try with my poems to create a beginning space. 52I do write down my dreams, though I havent been dreaming much lately; but Ive been doing that for years. Alice Notley (born 8 November 1945) is an American poet. New York: New Directions, 1962. dreams. 112AN: Ah, thats from Songs and Stories of the Ghouls (2011), from the lady with antlers; that was strange: I fell asleep, dreamed of being a woman with antlers, then when I woke up I opened Le Monde, lo and behold, there was a picture of a model with antlers on her head and she was in a fashion show that day on the runwayshe was wearing antlers: it was a premonitory dream. Ill read a part of it: Alice Notley, Where Leftover Misery Goes in. Nadja who sees things before they happen next and is just carted off: the status of mediums becomes a metaphor for the status of poetry in society. Alice Notley, Untitled, 1998. I went downstairs. In fact, the strong memories of starting points, including the vegetation, you just evoked link you to your New York School entourage. I actually feel bad when I dont write, like yesterday, but I always have something going on. In 1999, Notley was both a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize and a winner of the Los Angeles Times Book Prize for Poetry. Would you like to come? I didnt go. 61Then generations of people had to have to deal with the bad behavior and figure out how to talk about it. Theyre beautiful. New York: Granary Books, 2006. There was a black woman at a desk when I went in who said, What are you doing here? I just sat down and replied, Im a widow; Ive got two children; I know its been a year and a half since my husband died; Im trying to stay at home as much as I can and I have a part-time job (I was working for Allen Ginsberg at the time). Recent poems about pregnancy, birth, and being a mother. They would go out in the Hopi pueblo and get whatever snakes there were around, and a quarter would be rattlers, but in Prescott, they only used bull snakes. DR: Where leftover misery goes Can a poem be like a dance? I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. Its small and a bit fragile. In a swerve from the feminine epic, For the Ride seems to want to speak from a place outside of gender, another shrugging-off of what readers have come to expect from Notley. Need a transcript of this episode? DR: He has said that he started doing collages in his twenties and continued throughout his life. AN: He has complete syntactical thoughts, then he interrupts things at the conjunction. West Branch, Iowa: Toothpaste Press, 1981. That piece is from a postcard of a painting of Notre-Dame and evil spirits flying out of it. The Paris Review Interviews vol. Do you remember when he wrote the second The Circus? When he died in 2000, Alice Notley was sufficiently settled into Paris to remain there. Ive noticed it with my granddaughters. There are passing moments that neednt be dwelled upon, but if youre going to go to war against a couple of countries, I think you merit an accusation of doing just that. SoundCloud and , Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. 93DR: To pursue with craft questions: in the Norton Anthology of American Literature (1979), in talking about Marianne Moore, they say: Pound writes with the phrase, Williams writes with the line, H.D writes with the image, Wallace Stevens and Gertrude Stein write with the word, but Marianne Moore writes with the entire stanza, and I was just wondering if there was a unit that you use? I applied pressure so that the brokenness would have the shape I wanted; then I think I made the back part separately and decided to glue the fan on it. In this interview, she mentions other New York Poets (John Ashbery, James Schuyler, Frank OHara, Kenneth Koch, Ron Padgett, Eileen Myles, Anne Waldman, Joe Brainard, Allan Ginsberg, and Bernadette Mayer). AN: Would you like to see the real collage? 3Alice Notleys poetry has evolved through many phases and experiments, as her output continues to be strong, and is increasingly studied academically. AN: He had no trust in his own ability to write things out, while he had faith in his ability to find things. DR: But she came already with a great talent, right, she started out extremely strong. 30DR: In your work, theres something in the interstices between thoughts thats both intriguing and active. There werent a lot of cacti where I lived, but there were a lot of bushes. When I read. But people often say that Marianne Moore writes with the whole sentence. Raw language is the final material we have; it is only by shaping and reshaping it that we can hope to rebuild our world. Its more like a pause between metrical feet. I started noticing my dreams before I met Ted [Berrigan], but he used his dreams, and I just started doing it more after I was with him; then, after he died I did it even more. 123AN: I wrote an essay about her work in a book of essays called Coming After (2005), and I have essays in it about her and Joanne Kyger, Ted Berrigan, Lorenzo Thomas, Frank OHara, and some others. AN: Virgil was just this poet and he had to contend with Augustus Caesar. She also experimented with channeling spirits of deceased loved ones, primarily men gone from her life like her father and her husband, poet Ted Berrigan, and used these conversations as topics and form on her poetry. DR: Its a beautiful indictment of bureaucracies and their inhuman treatment. I never understand what to do or how to do it, I understand that I He could write any time he wanted to; Im like that too. 11It was a collaboration of sorts, though I generally do not collaborate; I really hate it. [10] Some of Notley's most famous engagements with the poetry community while in NYC were her workshops at the Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church, which were attended by dozens of young poets including Bob Holman, Patricia Spears Jones, Steve Carey, and Susie Timmons. DR: Also Im coming back often to that poem, In this Paradise, about the food-stamp office. Paris: Gallimard, Bibliothque de La Pliade, 1988, p. 643-753. Early on, I understood that was something you could enjoy doing out of folk music. She received a BA from Barnard College in 1967, and an MFA from the the Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa in 1969. Notleys next book, Mysteries of Small House (1998), is an experiment with the autobiographical mode, in which Notley was firstly trying to realize the first person singular as fully and nakedly as possible. Her subsequent book, Disobedience (2001), heads in the opposite direction, showing disobedience to the notions of truth and reality, featuring comic confrontations with reoccurring characters like Robert Mitch-ham, a man that closely resembles the actor Robert Mitchum. Alice Notley (born November 8, 1945) is an American poet. It so happens that there are many of those trees, syringas, in Rochester, NY, where hes from. The Art of Poetry No. always reinventing my practice, discovering what I believe is true and We know how inane the decision was that everybody would have a car, completely destroying the planet. You and Ted published it in your review, AN: I started to be quite influenced by him at that point, and I think I influenced him in the writing of the book. A calligram by Guillaume Apollinaire, from La Petite Auto (1918). Ive never thought of her as a poet: sometimes I think she doesnt know anything about poetry at all. 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