| Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. With the publication of the Williams review and the announcement of the renationalization of British Passenger Rail, i thought i might help out anyone exited for new liveries or branding for trains.. Brunswick Green. It still has to look good decades from now. Several Class 31 locomotives received white waist stripes, these being So even if that doesn't become the actual 'GBR' logo it will likely see some use on stations and maybe trains. Eventually, it was decided to standardise on a colour which became known as Rail Blue. [5] As Rail Blue was introduced, the last locomotive recorded as being outshopped in a previous livery was Class 43 D838 Rapid which left Swindon Works in August 1968 in maroon. You are using an out of date browser. Home Forums For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. As part of this work, the team engaged with industry through a formal call for evidence. Its rolling stock initially carried the standard Rail Blue (or blue and grey) livery but in 1992, it introduced a new livery of red and grey, with pale blue and grey flashes. It may not display this or other websites correctly. GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. Although from the mid-1960s to the 1980s the organisation was associated with "Rail Blue", a number of other schemes were also used, especially when it was split into operating units or "sectors" in the mid-1980s. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) We use cookies. I do also like the theory that these regions they mention will be named after old railway companies. BRs own history says otherwise. NR do infrastructure in Wales & Scotland, don't they? I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. There just isn't room on a well functioning railway for true competition, so you might as well focus on the passenger experience, not the rail operator experience. It looks like BR. Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. The 4REP and 3/4TC EMUs were a notable oddity, initially receiving all-over Rail Blue despite being express corridor stock. No.47373 in revised Railfreight "red stripe" livery. All HS2 and NPR services to be branded as Intercity Express. The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. [4] One locomotive, Class 47 No.D1733, was painted to match the coaching stock. A High Speed Train power car (loco) and coach in InterCity swallow livery. The current lot is an absolute mess. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. This included many of the features which were later incorporated in the Mark 2, and trialled in an experimental train designated XP64. Apple Green. In October 2021, the Secretary of State for Transport announced a competition to find a location for the headquarters of Great British Railways outside of London. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. It is not necessary to have it on platform signs as if you don't know you are on the railway when you see them there probably isn't much hope for you. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. You are using an out of date browser. Swiss style would be nice, British society & culture wouldn't allow this as we for example don't have direct democracy as in Switzerland this is a very good example of how it can work, credit to Dispatcher on the Stour on Twitter. This was later modified for locomotives allocated to the Civil Engineer's department to include a yellow stripe on the upper bodyside, the resulting livery being known as "Dutch" due to its similarity to the corporate colours of the Nederlandse Spoorwegen.[18]. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? In terms of changing the background colour - I was going to go with a navy blue, but then it wouldn't integrate with any part of the design system I had in my head, so I opted not to. [7], The reorganisation does not affect Northern Ireland, where the railway is already operated by the vertically integrated and already wholly state-owned Northern Ireland Railways. We need a sense of professionalism and togetherness, one branding brings that. Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. I'm not convinced "InterCity" services warrant different branding now, as they are no longer of premium quality in terms of service provision; in many case they're just regional or commuter services (thinks XC and GWR in particular). Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. Upon sectorisation, most secondary passenger routes which did not fall under the InterCity or Network SouthEast banner were re-designated as Regional Railways (originally Provincial). Interesting mock up doublearrow on Twitter just posted: What problem is this supposed to be fixing? particularly associated with the depots at Old Oak Common and for some form of co-branding. It'll be operated quite differently. Oct 22, 2021 All that remains, is to remember the man who made the Journey possible; the greatest engineer of all time and the architect who built modern Britain - Isambard Kingdom Brunel. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. At present, train operators get to decorate their rolling stock in their own colours. Now there's a system others can look up to. For example, GWRs London to Bristol, Penzance, Cardiff, Oxford etc might be wrapped up with a GBR Express or GBR Intercity, but the GWR commuter/regional services under a different brand name. Introduced originally by the Great Western Railway, the Travelling Post Office would set out from London in the dead of night and deliver . Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . The smokebox, running plate, and running gear remained black, and the bufferbeam remained red. European paint code RAL5020 ("Ocean Blue") is a good match to Rail Blue. Given the furious backlash over the Protocol, as well as the ill-managed disappointment that was the two parties 2010 link-up (under the awful acronym UCUNF), one can understand why Northern Irish politicians shy away from the Tories. It does because it's public perception. But theres no particular reason this should be. Not sure but I was also thinking of the winding up arrangements that would've taken place at privatisation i.e. It's the name of the island ffs. Infrastructure, passenger, and freight services were separated at that time. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 19th September, 2019. Also, yes, the actual report has a typo, it really does say 'refect' instead of 'reflect'. Just like when a new TOC has taken on a franchise, the old TOC name gets removed and the new TOC name gets badged in top, like a big rectangular sticker. But do you think Queen Nicola would accept trains branded as "Rail England" coming across the border? Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? A corporate livery was created for major express services in Scotland, which effectively consisted of the InterCity livery with the red stripe replaced by a light blue one. Existing leases of stations to devolved transport authorities will continue. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Western. [16] A public vote was held following the announcement.[16]. You also get a more legible and cohesive transport system. I think in Germany it is done by using the "TOC" name in place of IC etc. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. The name is still awful though and far too long. A later version made minor changes to the livery, the main one of which was to darken the main shade of blue used. Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread . The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. Messages: 1,398. I'm working on building a GBR brand from the ground up for the next few days (my calendar is completely empty), starting with a logo. Something timeless. Most of the coverage has focused on this. From 1966 until withdrawal, Pullman Coaches were also painted in the reversal of the normal coach livery, with the blue and grey areas transposed. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. Historic fact is that Roman Britain was England & Wales and the name Great Britain was adopted once Scotland joined, even though today we may refer of GB as just Britain. The anniversary of the Battle of Hastings which took place in 1066 was also used in publicity for the line. Much closer to what I was meaning (thanks. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. [18] GBR will own all infrastructure in Scotland and Wales that Network Rail owns now. It highlighted different ways in which Westminster could invest in Britains strategic transport network to better-integrate the nation. "Great" means "large", not "very good". Someone will design a great livery in the future and someone else will design a crap livery. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. GBR will own all stations and most infrastructure in Great Britain. This mock-up was shown in an orange and grey livery, which, however, never appeared on rolling stock in service. The double arrow is still overused, though. Managed to get a look at a new proposed one: But my point is that DB have had the same basic livery for so long. By 2020s Britain, I mean a design that is reflective of modern day marketing and branding. I'm unsure about the livery as such, but if Great British Railways is taken forward, I'd expect 'GBR' to feature. [4] This was referred to as the InterCity Executive livery as the sets used were dedicated to operating morning/evening services operated for businesspeople. JavaScript is disabled. The final decision was to be made later in 2022,[16] but the result has not been announced as of February 2023. In 1957 this changed to maroon with yellow markings and in 1963 bauxite with white lettering was adopted. [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. The 1948 trials brought LMS Class 5s, and GWR Kings and Castles in lined light green and lined blue, with incorrect suggestions that two different blues were used. Bare minimum. Great British Railways: Livery, branding and appearance? JavaScript is disabled. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? All other brands (SE, Southern, Thameslink, SWR, GWR, TfW, Merseyrail, Overground, Crossrail, GA, c2c, Scotrail) remain as they are. The distinctive angular shape of the HST power cars did not lend itself to applying yellow on the leading face, so the yellow was wrapped around and extended along the side of each power car, although the coaches retained the usual Rail Blue coaching stock livery. The attachments illustrate this. JavaScript is disabled. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. The FT reports: The reforms will still allow private companies to run services but they will instead work under a more prescriptive management contract, similar to the system in place on the London Overground.. The BR Saint & TPO Livery Pack adds additional liveries to the GWR Saint & TPO add-on, enabling you to recreate realistic travelling post office operations in the British Railway era. The Union Jack will represent. [14] After this date, the passenger versions of Class 37 and 47, as well as Class 50, were routinely outshopped in this livery. A bit like this but without the fuzzy outline on the text and double arrow (caused by MS Paint's paint bucket tool): Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; I had a play around with this, and I agree, it looks. A livery, similar to ScotRail but with the upper dark grey bodyside replaced with a dark blue, was created. The signs look good, if a bit bland and functional. It's good work (and the previous set). 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